wengj 2018-9-19 21:17
[XP]东契奇的表现引起多方盛赞：传球视野二十年罕见、训练表现强过阿德？
Dirk on Doncic: "His court vision and passing for his size at his age is something I’ve never seen in my 20 years."
诺维茨基评价东契奇：“他在这个年龄并拥有如此大块头的情况下所展现出的球场视野和传球功力，我在我的二十年生涯中都没见到过第二个。”
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[–]NBAurfaselol 806 指標 5 天前
I can't believe this guy dropped to the Mavs
真不敢相信东契奇竟然掉到了独行侠手里。
[–][DEN] Nikola JokicRedSoxEatPoop 427 指標 5 天前
You mean Hawks
你想说的是老鹰吧。
[–]Lakersso-cal_kid 226 指標 5 天前
Sheed, Melo, and Doncic are Hawks legends.
拉希德-华莱士、甜瓜和东契奇都是老鹰名宿。[译注1]
[译注1]拉希德-华莱士只在老鹰打了一场比赛就被交易到了活塞。
[–]PacersBriggity_Brak 82 指標 5 天前
Don't forget Gasol
别忘了大加索尔。[译注2]
[译注2]2001年选秀大会，大加索尔被老鹰在第3顺位选中，这个签位被交易到了灰熊。
[–]Bladex10 378 指標 5 天前
sad hawk noises
仿佛听到了失落的鹰啼。
[–]Hawksheathbadger 228 指標 5 天前
I am so torn between wanting to see Doncic become a superstar and hoping the Hawks made the right decision by passing on him. It's an awful headspace to be in. When I read stuff like this instead of being really pumped I get genuinely angry at my franchise.
老鹰球迷：我既想看到东契奇成为超级巨星，又暗自希望我鹰放弃他是正确的，真是两难的境地，让我纠结无比。每次看到这种帖子时，我都不会感到激动，而是对我的主队表示由衷的气愤。
[–][GSW] Calbert Cheaneyswollencornholio 163 指標 5 天前
Best case scenario for bball fans is that Trae and Doncic are both really good... like Harden and Curry (both from 2009 draft class).
对于各位球迷来说最好的情况就是特雷-杨和东契奇都能打出来……就像2009一代的哈登和库里一样。
[–][TOR] Tracy McGradyWelfare_Mom 98 指標 5 天前
I like Young a lot but I don't think I would've passed up Doncic
我很喜欢吹杨，但是要我选的话，我不会错过选东契奇的机会的。
[–]3ITKH 188 指標 5 天前
I would agree but also I've seen Lebron James.
我本来想同意司机的话，但是这不还有个叫勒布朗-詹姆斯的嘛。
[–]ParkBaller13 69 指標 5 天前
I mean i also cant imagine him having a better combo of those qualities than simmons
我也不太觉得东契奇这些特质的组合（年龄+块头+视野+传球）能比本-西蒙斯强。
[–]Htaroh[S] 75 指標 5 天前
Simmons was older than 19 when he played his first game tho. But still.
不过西蒙斯完成联盟首秀的时候已经超过19岁了。但楼上说的也是。
[–]Mavericksgigantism 145 指標 5 天前
I think in the context of the conversation it was more clear that he was referring to that ability as a 19 year old, not of any player in the last 20 years.
独行侠球迷：我觉得按照诺天王当时对话的语境，很明显他指的是一个19岁球员展现出的能力，而不是20年来所有年龄段的任何球员展现出的能力。
[–]NBADonDoncic 139 指標 5 天前
Doncic's pick-and-roll passing and half court game are head and shoulders above Simmons'
I know that sounds like a total exaggeration and I'll probably get down voted, but in about 3 months this will be a generally accepted fact here after people see Doncic play.
东契奇的挡拆顺下传球能力和阵地战能力会比西蒙斯高出一截的。
我知道这听起来很夸张，估计也会有人会灭我，但我相信，不出三个月，也就是当人们看过东契奇打球后，我上述的话会成为一个公认的事实。
[–]WheresMySaucePlease 79 指標 5 天前
Worth noting here that Philly barely ran PNR
值得一提的是，76人几乎不打挡拆顺下战术。（所以怎么比较？）
[–]NBADonDoncic 111 指標 5 天前
Very true. That's why I'm comfortable making that statement. Simmons is a great passer in transition, probably better than Doncic, but his half court game still has to develop. And Doncic's best skill by far is his pick-and-roll passing. I don't think that's even a controversial statement for anyone who watched both players last season.
你说的没错啊。所以我更加觉得自己的言论没问题了。西蒙斯是一个出色的转换进攻传球手，这方面很可能强于东契奇，但他的半场阵地战能力还不够成熟。东契奇目前为止最成熟的技术就是挡拆顺下时的传球。我觉得，但凡看过上赛季这两人的比赛的人都不会觉得我的言论有争议。
[–]BucksLanky_Kaleidoscope 105 指標 5 天前
I think shooting is a big part of this. If the big man doesn’t think you are gonna shoot, they can sag back and take away chance to make pocket pass. And then the weak side doesn’t need to help as much.
我觉得这跟西蒙斯的投射能力有很大关系。如果对方内线的大个觉得你不会投篮，那么他们就能缩在内线，不给你直塞传球的机会。因此弱侧也不需要太多的协防。
But if you can shoot, you can force traps and force big men to hedge high and recover. Doncic got a lot of assist from hitting a rolling big man before the opposing big could recover.
但如果你有篮子，你可以吸引包夹，逼大个子提到高位并归防。东契奇很多助攻都是趁对方的内线大个没来得及回防时给顺下的己方大个送出的。
Simmon is awesome at long bounce passes in transition and he is great at drive and kick. He is better at attacking the rim, so his drive and kick game is dangerous, Doncic will have a harder time blowing by opponents.
But Doncic is better at lob passes and pocket passes out of the PnR.
西蒙斯特别擅长转换进攻时的长距离击地传球，他也是突破分球的好手。他的攻筐能力比东契奇强，所以他的突分极具威胁。在过掉对手这一方面，东契奇将会遇到些麻烦。
但东契奇更擅长挡拆后的高吊球和直塞。
[–]Bartoraptor 134 指標 5 天前
Just a Real Madrid fan passing by, I don't watch as many NBA games as I'd like because of schedule + uni/work so I don't have much knowledge about the current NBA players but quote me on this:
Luka is going to be one of the greatest players of all time
You can downvote as much as you want, I just want this comment to exist so in 15-20 years when he retires I can say I told you.
皇马球迷路过。我因为作息时间和大学/工作的关系没能看太多NBA比赛，也对当今的NBA球员没有太多了解。不过我立帖为证：东契奇会成为史上最好的球员之一。
要灭的随便，只要这条评论没被删就行。这样15-20年之后当他退役时我还能说“老子告诉过你们吧”。
[MacMahon] The word out of Dallas is that Doncic has often been the best player on the court in pickup games at the Mavs' facility despite not being in great shape by NBA standards... These games have included local products like LaMarcus Aldridge.
MacMahon：据独行侠方面透露，尽管东契奇目前的身体状态还没达到NBA标准，但他在独行侠的训练球馆打野球时经常是场上最佳球员……参与者包括了像阿尔德里奇这样的达拉斯本地人。
[–]76ersBustelle_Fultz 313 指標 7小時前
Lonzo Ball's heir
球哥后继有人了。
[–][LAL] Brandon IngramLaVarZoNoBall 164 指標 7小時前
Never lost a pick up game. Doncic has some big shoes to fill
球家是从来没输过野球的。东契奇还得加把劲儿迎头赶上啊。[译注3]
[译注3]暗讽球爹的“NEVA LOST”（单挑从没输过）。
[–]Mavericksrvadarocket 560 指標 7小時前
GAHHHHHHH, I NEED TO SEE HIM PLAY SO BAD, the hype is killing me
独行侠球迷：啊啊啊啊啊啊我现在就要看东契奇打球！你们吹得我心痒痒啊。
[–][NYK] Frank Ntilikinaaoifhasoifha 172 指標 4小時前
Luka is about to be so good he's gonna fuck up evaluation of Euro prospects for a decade the same way Dirk did (shoutout to Darko and Jan Veseley). I fucking love it.
尼克斯球迷：东契奇将会肆意绽放，强到能颠覆人们对欧洲新秀的评价整整十年，就像曾经的诺天王一样（同时给米利西奇和扬-韦塞利打个call）。我真特么等不及了。。
[–]Raptorscarba14 76 指標 2小時前
Fucking bargnani
猛龙球迷：TMD一想到巴尼亚尼我就来气。
[–]Pistonsqedsquah 92 指標 7小時前
I’m hyped for Dallas fans. Y’all finally have potential star player other than Dirk, is Finley 2nd all-time player for y’all?
活塞球迷：我为独行侠球迷感到激动。你们终于迎来了诺维茨基之外又一个巨星胚子，在这之前你侠队史第二大概就是芬利了...吧？
[–]Mavericksrvadarocket 89 指標 7小時前
Nash technically
独行侠球迷：严格意义来讲是纳什。
[–][MIN] Zach LaVineZach_LaVine 491 指標 7小時前
I'm all in on Doncic but while this is a good sign, the reoccuring remarks about him not being in great shape should be a big caution sign for people to pump their brakes for this season
我是梭哈东契奇的，但虽然这个新闻算是好的征兆，但重复不断的关于他身体状态不达标的评价确实是个警示，那些激动不已准备迎接新赛季的球迷是应该静下心来重新审视一番。
I'm not saying that he'll always be slow and unathletic, but the most common complaint from college players in the length of the season and a lot of those guys are in better shape than Doncic.
我不是说他会一直这么又慢又缺乏运动能力，但身体跟不上的确是大学球员们在赛季中最经常抱怨的事情，而这些人里面很多人的身体也比东契奇好。
I wouldn't be surprised to see him explode out of the gate and really look like a star, only to get worse as the season progresses and the fatigue builds up
我觉得他有可能在赛季伊始就打出爆炸表现并展现巨星相，但随着赛季进行会因为疲劳的累积而表现更差。
[–][LAL] Jeffery Lamar Williamssptagnew 274 指標 7小時前
Porzingis hit a pretty serious wall himself, just as an example of another player coming straight from Europe.
湖人球迷：新秀赛季的波尔津吉斯结结实实地撞上了新秀墙。他也是从欧洲直接进入联盟的球员，所以我就举个例子。
[–][MIN] Zach LaVineZach_LaVine 102 指標 6小時前
Yeah and the bad news for doncic is that he def has a higher weight:height ratio than porzingis, which is gonna make it harder to keep going up and down the court
He might surprise though. He worked out with kobe and i'd be shocked if he didn't tear into doncic for not being in better shape
对头，东契奇还有一个劣势，就是他的体重/身高比肯定是比波尔津吉斯大的，这会让他更难以一直折返跑。
不过他也有可能给咱们惊喜。他和科比一起训练过，我觉得以科比的性格肯定会因为东契奇身体不达标而对他进行魔鬼训练的。
[–]bandrejx 205 指標 6小時前
Dunno, he played 160+ games in two years straight... no offseason.
老哥你说什么，东契奇可是连着两年打了160多场比赛，连休赛期都没有。
[–]NetsLanaRhoades- 113 指標 6小時前
Doncic is not in NBA shape because he has been playing non stop basketball for 2 years now
They didnt play him summer league and he will probably not play a lot pre season
Since 2016 he's played Spanish League + playoffs, Euroleague + playoffs, Eurobasket with Slovenia, over 150 games played
College players play like 50 games, Doncic needed the rest
东契奇的身体状态没达到NBA水准是因为他这两年一直在不停地打球。
独行侠没有让他打夏联，季前赛估计也不会多上。
自从2016年开始，他总共打了150多场球，包括西甲联赛+季后赛、欧冠联赛+季后赛以及代表斯洛文尼亚出战欧锦赛。
相比之下，大学球员只打了50多场球。东契奇需要休息啊。
[–]Celticsfdahood 187 指標 6小時前*
I am very excited to see him play, but have trouble believing that he is a higher caliber player than LaMarcus "Was a playoff team's entire offense" Aldridge.
凯尔特人球迷：我已经按捺不住想看他打球的激动了，但我还是不相信他要比阿德更强。那个男人可是季后赛级别的球队里面的进攻端大腿啊。
[–]Spursgsgspursgsg 95 指標 5小時前
Hey, we had post Achilles Rudy Gay and 57 year old Manu Ginobili too...
Fuck our offense was bad last year.
马刺球迷：这个嘛，我们上赛季的进攻端也没人了啊：踝伤后的盖伊，57岁老将马努。
MD我刺上赛季的进攻真的烂得不能看。
[–][UTA] Donovan MitchellSpida2YBanana 121 指標 7小時前
I still can't believe the Mavs got him.
爵士球迷：我还是不敢相信独行侠竟然得到了东契奇。
[–]Trail Blazersirelli 144 指標 7小時前
I still can't believe the hawks gave him up:(
开拓者球迷：我还是不敢相信老鹰放弃了东契奇:(
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robin2100 2018-9-26 13:03
东契奇的组织能力毋庸置疑，但看看卢比奥，NBA还是要适应了才行
tongku111 2018-9-28 01:43
这个年龄的确是未来可期，趁着司机还没退役跟这他练练投篮准头
haha121121 2018-9-28 12:44
德国司机多大年纪了还没退役，老而弥坚呐，现在都不怎么看NBA了
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